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Connecting with people you’ve passed on previously

Just thought I’d share something. This is for people who feel discouraged when they get feedback like “we’re too busy”, or even a soft pass like “Let’s hope to meet at a party sometime”. We tend to not exactly close the door on people who give us this kind of message, but we know they’re not that interested. Mr. Fuse is even more likely to clam up around them because he thinks he’s been rejected (and maybe he has), and he can’t just relax and put his best foot forward. Well, this time the shoe was on the other foot. (I know I’m mixing my metaphors, but this mixture seems to work a little.)

Anyway….

Last night we went out to meet a couple, who’d invited us and a bunch of other couples to a bar. One of the other couples, it turned out, had written to us not once, but twice before. The first time was around a year ago and the second time was last fall. We had passed both times. They seemed like a nice couple, but their pictures did not do them any favors, and truthfully, we did have a lot going on at the time. We gave them the “we’re happy with our present routine, maybe we’ll meet at a party” type of almost-a-brushoff. Well, last night we definitely connected with them. They looked a lot better in person than in their profile pictures (boy they could use some help with those! I think their pictures hurt them and they shouldn’t have that hurdle!), and they were both outgoing, friendly and flirtatious. We didn’t realize who they were, except we knew we knew them, somehow. But from the look on his face and his mention of earlier emails, I got the idea that we had turned them down.

So later on, back at the host couple’s house, there were 5 couples. Mr. Fuse played for a long time with the lady of the couple we met through them. Though I was mostly busy with the boyfriend of the host (yum) I know I let the subject couple’s gentleman know I was interested. We didn’t get to do a lot, but he knows.

My point is that even when someone has passed on you, it doesn’t mean you will never connect with them. Leaving doors open is a good thing. Many other couples might have acted a bit cool, or even negatively, but these people did not and we are happy about it. They were very gracious and warm, probably more so than we would have been.

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Jealousy issues and overcoming them

First off, neither hubby or I have started swinging just yet. Mostly because of me being 4 months pregnant. But I have a question.

I’ve talk alot about it with my husband and he has agreed not to do anything until I am comfortable with it.

But my thing is, when I think of swinging I think, “Hey this could be fun!” but at the same time I don’t like the idea about my hubby with another woman. I do have a little body image issue, but I am getting over that since talking with others and having people tell me how good I look for having baby number 3.

We (hubby and I) have talked about this issue, but I worry that it might control swinging and all together stop it before it happens.

I’ve started a plan which is until baby is born some soft swinging, same room same couples sorta thing. And hopefully I will become better about this issue.

I’m just wondering if this is normal when you first start out.

The weird part is I don’t know why I feel this way. Hubby is fine waiting, and wont push me to do something I am not happy about. But just the thought and I get uneasy. Is this maybe just jitters?

Thanks for any advice or stories.
Mrs. O

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Annoying Single Males

So does the lifestyle push single males to be annoying or are there just annoying single males? (and perhaps you can expand that into couples as I read here they can be pushy though we’ve encoutered any in person).

Spent last night at the swing club and today at a M&G at a strip bar, and my wife has just never been so in the sights of single guys. Even today the guy did not get the hint after we got up and moved after he sat down. He was not being physically in appropriate, just very predatory. The wife was not in the best of moods today (tired from our fun last night) and just that small encounter sent that mood spiraling down.

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My daughter came to the swingers party that I went to.

Funny situation. I and my wife was invited to a swingers party that a couple of other couples we known also was invited. We went and met Jack and Jane there. Now Jack and Jane has a 26 year old daughter Sue. We was sitting on the couch facing the hall way door and facing jack and Jane who was on a love seat. Jane and my wife had their tops off but nothing was going on, we was just sitting there. Now here is where it gets funny. Sue walks in the room with a man in her arms. I had to look twice and yes it was Sue, and she did not notice any of us let. I bent over hanging my head down and whisper in Jane’s ear that her daughter just walked in with a man. Jane kind of laugh and said yeah right. (She didn’t believe me). So I pointed towards Sue showing Jane. The look in her eyes was priceless. By this time Sue had her top off (and she was looking hot). Jane told Jack and now the entertainment started. Jack must had forgotten he had his pants undone because when he jumped up they fell down around his knees. Jane was rushing to get her shirt on and Now Sue finally look over because of all the commotion saw mom and dad. She let out a shriek and off she took running with no top on and some guys hands in her pants with one hell of a look on his face. Daughter went out the front door with mom and dad right behind her leaving a bewilder man standing there with no ideal what just happen. I got up and introduce myself to the man and explained to him what has just happen. He left the party with a strange look on his face. We left the party latter on after it started to wind down. We have not let seen Jack and Jane let but will see them on Wednesday. I want to find out how this all turned out.

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Any Men Whose Wives Refuse To Even Consider Swinging?

OK, this is not as much for seeking advice (although I’m sure I’ll get plenty!) as to commiserate with other husbands whose vanilla-minded wives simply will not even entertain the notion of swinging or anything beyond the realm of monogamous sex.
I know very well that swinging must be totally mutual between both spouses for it to be a positive experience. My motivation here is to enhance our fairly decent sex life. We’re 52 and 50, married almost 28 years, two kids, our own business, and a great relationship. She’s rather conservative, very modest.
I’ve always had a much greater sex drive than her and a need for more “out there” sex. I have indeed cheated on her our entire lives together, having many affairs, one-night stands, liaisons on business trips, even bisexual experiences. I’ve enjoyed it all, and have been immensely careful not to leave any clues or slip up, and she has no idea about my “other” life.
I truly love my wife dearly. She is still very sensuous and attractive, and I’ve taught her a few new things over the years, like enjoying the use of toys, and how to squirt.
Truth is, I do not have any guilt regarding my infidelity, but I’m tired of it. Too much effort and time wasted setting up secret rendezvous, etc. I want to experience the pleasures of non-monogamous sex WITH my lady by my side; I want to share it with her and not have to decieve her anymore.
I pondered it for months, studied the lifestyle, did voluminous research on the topic. I finally dropped the bomb on her on (of all days, you idiot!) Mother’s Day! She exploded. No, she IMploded. Whatever, it was the most shocking, terrifying thing to ever happen to her in our relationship – she thought the dream was over. She was so scared, hurt, confused, repulsed. I finally had to backpedal and try to talk to her rationally and we went to marriage counseling only two days later (at MY behest, not hers!). I needed to be able to talk to her via the thrid party there. I needed to ease her pain. Anyway, things went well there, and we opened a new line of communication. She never suspected I was so…sexual..so kinky. This man she’d known almost all her life was different now in a way, and it still leaves her a bit muddled and confused.
She tried to learn what the attraction is. She even looked online at various swinger’s sites, the Freedom Acres site, etc. She wanted to know what her man was interested in doing. She couldn’t agree with any of the positives all you folks were preaching. She did suggest she might go to a club just for me, to “get it out of my system” , but she’ll sit in the bar and interact with no one…maybe go back to the car if it’s too much. What fun.
We’ve rarely watched porn; she has no interest in seeing other people having sex and it doesn’t arouse her (so much for same-room sex). She doesn’t have any fantasies about having sex with other people. She doesn’t talk dirty and the word “fuck” is almost impossible to pry out of her mouth.
We do have reservations at the Terra Cotta Inn in Palm Springs in early November. It’s a clothing optional resort and I hope she’ll become a bit more comfortable around naked people. She’s agreed to go but made it clear she intends to remain clothed. I told her that’s fine. I’ll be naked. I appreciate her even going with me.
Anyway, I wonder if there are other men on here with equally hopeless situations. I’ve all but resigned myself to the fact that I’ll never get to indulge in that forbidden pleasure of outside sex WITH my wife there, enjoying it with me. It is deeply disappointing, and I like to believe that somehow, someday, she might come around on her own. But not too likely.
Comments? How do you handle this? Do you keep pressing? Did you give up?
Why exactly are you here reading the forum like me?
- DKent

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these are not my pants…

Ok… A story from a couple of years ago. So we were out having a great day with a couple we know. The four of us having some vanilla fun… So after we got all worked up we went home and started playing….. I’ll skip all of those details but mfm, fmf, and some swap.. just to give you an idea…right in the living room. Well it was dinner time and we decided on pizza.. We figured we would have at least 30 mins to keep playing. Well either we played longer than we thought or they were super fast…either way the door bell rang….

Well when you are in the middle of the living room with four naked people you don’t really want to open the door. You have to think about getting the condom off. Throwing it away. Leaving a girl naked with her legs spread is never easy. So the other three hid in a corner and I put some pants on. I was careful to keep my beans below my frank, and answered the door…Well they were cargo shorts.. the room was a little dark but something did not feel right…

So the pizza guy said the pizza was 18 dollars. So I reached for my wallet… Well it was not on my left side..funny…I did the pat down and found it on my right.. I got it out and looked at it strangely… it was not my wallet… I looked down at the pants and said to the pizza guy ” these are not my pants”.. well the other three thought this was very funny.. I must say it is a bit embarrassing to find out you are not wearing your pants. So I said hold on a second.. I started searching the pile of cloths on the floor… Bras…thongs…shirts skirts… and finally my pants…it is sort of like the cops you can’t find them when you need them… the three were laughing harder and harder while I was searching.

So I paid the man and off he went.. Can’t say what he thought.

So even now when I am watching COPS and when the cops pull crack out of the crack heads pants and the crack head says ” but these are not my pants” I have to laugh and wonder what kind of party he had been at… and that he might be telling the truth.

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My wife is Bi, who would have known!

We are both somewhat new to swinging, we have been married almost 16 years, we don’t have a lot of experiences yet and so far we have only soft swapped with a few other couples, but in addition to swapping spouses, I always had the fantasy of seeing my beautiful wife locking lips with another beautiful woman and maybe even making love together, what man doesn’t dream of that!!!
When ever I brought up that possibility with her, she would say gross, no way, not me, not in a million years, etc… Not any more!!! In the past several weeks she has had some really great experiences with another woman that we met on the dance floor at our local on-premise club. It all started with some dancing, then a little touching, and some playfull kisses and finally full on making out.
She loved it, and she isn’t just doing it to please me which is what I originally thought. I asked her what changed her mind? She said she was in a moment and it just felt right. I am so happy for her, and I don’t mind either…I even got in on the action with a threeway kiss in the middle of the two of them which was so nice…

I have to say as much as I hoped this would happen someday, I never thought she would really do it. I still can’t believe it!!! She said never had feelings for women before we started swinging, and now we can talk openly about it to a degree… She is ready to explore some more at this point. Is this the way most of the other bi-curious, bi-sexual swinging women got started?

Mr. Wildfire

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New guy Here…With Familiar Dilemma

Alright guys/gals, long time viewer finally wanting to jump in and join the forum….so go easy on me for awhile.
My situation is very similar to what you guys read almost on a daily basis, so I understand that I’m very far from cornering the market here.

That said, here goes. I’ve been married almost seven years to a good woman,mother and wife. She’s attractive, hard working, trustworthy and kind ( except during arguments, LOL). The problem is, and I hate to label religon as a “problem” that it seems that her religious/spiritual beliefs put a damper on sexual openness, let alone swinging with others. While she does enjoy sex, it’s limited to two or three positions,mutual oral and that’s about it. I did, however, manage to take some nude pictures of her and us together. And, interestingly, she got very excited during our session and took over the camera and started snapping some pics of her own.

Over the years we’ve roleplayed a bit, sometimes inquiring how her “boyfriend” is doing,or you better get done quick before my husband gets home. Mostly mild stuff that has never progressed past the pillow talk stage. She has, at times, mentioned swinging. Never in the context that led me to believe that she was seriously intersted. However, that she mentioned it does pique some curiosity in me. Is she fascinated? Or revolted?

Honestly, I’m afraid to bring up the matter to her other than “play” pillow talk. As she is conservative sexually, I’m afraid she’ll decipher this as a desire on my part to be unfaithful or I’m attempting to compromise her values/morals.

A word or two about her usual sexual nature. I’m sure there are married men that have it far worse than me. In fact, I really don’t have it so bad, considering all the qualities my wife posseses. Still, I long for her to be aggressive, instead of making sex so routine, as it’s comparable to changing the oil in our car. I wish she would push her boundaries, and/or comfort level. Wear lingerie or talk dirty. Deep down, I’ve always suspected that my wife has a wild and adventurous side….I just have no idea how to tap into it. Most of you that walk in my shoes, will probably say get used to it, or leave. I refuse to do both, as I believe there is a way to break down her blocks.

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Advice please! Second shot swinging and need to overcome insecurities

Hello everyone!

I am new to the forum and need a little advice, but first let me give a little background. “Technically” hubby and I are not new to swinging. We have had several FMF experiences and have even full-swapped with another couple on several occasions. The problem is that the first time we did this, we just jumped into it head-first with no prior communication about boundaries or anything, and I kind of freaked out. The fantasy of seeing hubby doing another woman was great, but the reality was well…NOT so great. So I set some boundaries, and we decided to try again. Well, I am not sure whether I didn’t communicate my boundaries well enough, or if hubby just caught caught up in the heat of the moment or what, but the boundaries were crossed. At this point, I really didn’t want to continue with this, but I knew hubby was very into the idea, so I continued to go along with it. I know this was my own fault for letting it go on, but irregardless, the damage was done.

Now, several years later, we have started talking about the idea again. We have realized (and discussed) the mistakes that were made in the past. I want to take our time before we go any further, so I have researched the topic carefully. It helps that I have learned that there are “levels” of swapping, and I can keep things at a level that I am comfortable with, while still having the “thrill” of the experience.

However I still have several concerns and questions. This may sound stupid, but how do you KNOW where your comfort levels are before you get into the actual situation? I mean everything is such a turn on when I fantasize about it, but how do I know that it will be in reality? Also, I am not nearly as sexually outgoing as hubby is with other people. Hubby and I have a very adventurous sex life together, but I am very shy when other people become involved. I tend to “freeze up”, and can’t seem to “let myself go” as much, so I feel like a wet blanket. Because of this, hubby is able to fully enjoy his experience, but I am not, which causes jealousy issues.

I know that I have insecurities because of previous attempts, but I want to overcome them. I want this to be something we can enjoy together, but to be honest, I don’t know how to do it. Hubby assures me that he will not go beyond my comfort level or speed, but I guess I am scared that he will get caught up in the moment, and things will progress before I have a chance to stop them. I am scared that I won’t be able to fully enjoy my part of the experience, but hubby will, and will want to take it even further. How could I take that away from him? And I am scared that I will feel threatened by seeing him enjoy himself with another woman. I have read that some couples try other room swapping to help with that issue, but there is NO way that I could handle that. I know that I need to take baby-steps this time, but I was just wondering if anyone had any advice for me, or could help me overcome these fears and insecurities.

Thanks!

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